FlashForward: ABC’s new time paradox

When I first heard about ABC’s new primetime drama FlashForward, I just had to laugh. I would have loved to have sat in on the meeting this thing was pitched at. “Ok, so here’s what we got! Everyone. On the entire planet, right? They like all pass out at the same time, got it? And then, here’s where it gets good. They all have a vision of six months into the future. Hu? Hu? You feel me? Did I just make your brain explode?” It’s the very definition of “high concept” with, in my opinion, no where to go. But I’m trying to give it a chance. I’m willing to forgive it’s terrible premise, however, I cannot forgive the egregious time paradox established in the pilot episode.

[Note: The following may be considered minor spoilers for the pilot episode of FlashForward, so if you've been warned]

About half way through this episode of the show, the FBI puts together a team to begin investigating the strange event that caused everyone to black out and have a vision of the future. At this point in the programming they literally have not a single lead to begin the investigation. So where do they to begin?

“Well I have a good idea”, I imagine one of the writers blurting out during a brain storming session. “What if in one of the character’s FlashForward, he was working on the investigation. Yeah. Then he could just tell the FBI what some of his leads in the future were and they could start investigating them now in the present.”

Am I the only one who has a HUGE problem with this? If you can’t see the problem, let me try to restate what they’re doing. Future-Mark-Benford is essentially giving Present-Mark-Benford information. Information that he is going to put on a board. A board that will be later read by Future-Mark-Benford. Who is going to, in turn, give to Present-Mark-Benford. Who is then going to write it on a board. Get it now? There is no point in time where this information ever actually comes into existence. Each side of the time loop relies on the other side for the information to exist. Paradox Much?

If you’re still not seeing the problem, let me put it this way. I do not currently own a Windows-based laptop. However, if I had one ten minutes into the future, I could travel back in time and give it to myself in the present. But how will I get the laptop in the next 10 minutes? Oh, it’s simple. When my future self hands me this laptop now, I’ll have it 10 minutes from now. Which means when I, as future me, decide to travel back in time, to Present-Me, He’ll have the laptop that was just given to present me right now.

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John Heltsley

Yeah, the causality loop can be a cliche, but I didn't see it as too big of an issue, really. I had more of a "problem" with the whole "the entire world blacks out for 2 min 17 sec, and the FBI chooses to investigate this, and is given the power to do so. But more than that, it's only 3 agents from LA that are doing it." Wouldn't you have it run out of DC? Maybe not by the FBI, but a joint-task force? And certainly more than just 3 agents?

Regardless, I liked the premise of the show, and it gave me enough that I'll tune in next week.

Christopher Schnese

Yeah, we could probably go on forever about the absurdity of the plot. I guess I could kind of buy the fact that the government might be concerned that "someone cause this", but I'm pretty sure that scientists would be the first ones investigating. Not any agency. You know, unless the FBI reopened the X-Files...

I think the worst thing about the show is that most people didn't even have a vision of anything bad. Maybe there is some greater conspiracy, but no one in the general population should or would be able to figure that out. It may be a scary / religious experience to some people, but it's not like everybody had a Heroes-style vision where the world blew up or anything like that...

Metanome

How come no-one in the future was waiting for the moment they'd had a vision of 6 months earlier? Surely you'd be thinking "This is the date when I had my Flash Forward" and if something bad happened in the vision, alter it. But then would the vision change accordingly?

Christopher Schnese

Obviously the average person, being boring and mundane like we all are, wouldn't be waiting for the pointless event that they had flashed forward to, but you're right. Anyone who had experienced an event such as... oh I don't know, being gunned down while staring at a board of mysteries you couldn't solve, might try and avoid staring at said board.

mr t

i don't think the time-theory of the show works because of the paradox - but i think they'll get away with it.

there are two main problems with the paradox etc. as it stands after 2 episodes

firstly, the paradox of the self-fulfilling board of leads - where does the information come from?

secondly, in the future, fbi-guy should know that he is about to get shot - what is he doing there!?

time travel shows have to be based on one of two principles, either you can change whats going to happen or you can't. flashforward is mixing its drinks at the moment...but it might be short-lived.

if you can't change the future, then everyone who had a vision (rather than nothing) is invincible. you could fire a gun at their head and it would be impossible for the gun to go off - because they have to survive. even if you tried killing them 1000 different ways, you'd be thwarted every time because its certain that they're going to be alive in the future.

lets assume they're not going with that time-theory - there's already some evidence for it. unless the daughter of the main character (benford) is going to keep making him friendship bracelets, then he's already changed the future. so from that we can presume that the characters will change the future and that benford won't be in his office on his own waiting to get shot at the time of the flashforward...

so what was the flashforward then? it is definitely a snapshot of a future in which a flashforward event had happened, but that event could not have been for the same future-time as the flashforward we have been shown, otherwise benford wouldn't be in his office waiting to get shot, and FBI-boss would be on the toilet. so either through deep-thinking by writers, or by oversight, the only working theory is that the flashforward is of the future of a parallel universe where things went along a similar path, but not the same path. in that universe they would have had a flashforward of an another universe - maybe one in which a flashforward had happenned, maybe not - who knows. thats the only way to solve the paradox.

the 'warning' theory which goes like "the path you're on will lead to this future, now go and change it" doesn't quite work because the flashforward event is included in the future - if you're able to change it then you wouldn't have just seen what you've just seen!

the thing that will keep me interested in the show is seeing how they tackle this issue as they approach the time of the flashforward. if they've changed everything by that time then will they wonder what it was that they saw in the first place?

Christopher Schnese

The way I see it, the only real option they have is to hold to the "you can't change the future" method or "in tying to change the future you actually caused it". As you mentioned, if they changed the future then they can't have that flash forward.

Then again, depending on your concept of time travel, the argument could be made (albeit VERY poorly) that the rules for seeing the future and the rules for changing the past are completely different. By this I mean it could be argued that you can't change the past because it's already happened. While the future can be changed because the "vision" is really just one possible outcome of the future.

Personally, I believe that if one can travel backwards in time, then that proves the existence of a continual timeline. Which means that people ahead on that timeline could travel back to the first persons point.

So... the only way I think the time paradox can be reconciled is if the main character becomes aware of this. Then begins to leave clues for himself in the future so that they can be given back to himself in the present. There is the slightest hint of this when he puts the photographer's photo of the burnt doll on the board. Since he used the clue of the photo to figure out they should investigate the doll factor, then he need to put it on the board so he'll have it in the future to be able to let himself know in the past.

The film Time Crimes portrayed this concept very well. You have to make sure that everything happens in the exact same manner. If they main character understands this and begins to leave clues for his future self, then I might be able to go a little easier on the show.

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